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support -20% · proof of experiencemoderated to 0%; argued down by 0%
by anonymous on 2005-06-24 19:52:14i once read an excerpt from the muslim philosopher Al Gazhali on the gradual unfoldment of our rational and moral sense. just as the child learns to see the rational truth in logical facts and statements, so does the man eventually grow to experience the god within. until then, why debate about it? create! :) -
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by metric on 2005-06-24 23:21:35
Once your sense of morals begins to outway rational truth and logical facts you are no longer growing up, you are degrading (in a logical sense). At that point, your feelings and emotions mean more to you than what you can physically prove.
Experience is usually a good thing, but experience with believing in your own imagination does no one good. I would go so far as to say it does harm when your imagination, inevitably, disagrees with someone else's.
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support 100% · Descartes Logicmoderated to 100%; argued down by 0%
by vadersamuel on 2005-09-25 11:22:04If im not wrong, Descarte, the french rationalist philosopher argued that our knowledge of eternity, of the immutable and of a divine being and our very acceptance that such a possibility exists proves there IS God. Since nothing other than a divine being could have placed the idea of itself in man. -
oppose 0% · Re: Descartes Logicmoderated to 100%; argued down by 100%
by seraphblade on 2005-09-29 18:23:04The imaginations of men have come up with countless examples of absolutely fantastic, and absolutely fictional, stories. If a man can think up a large, firebreathing, scaled lizard (dragon) and a horselike creature with a single horn and undefined magical properties (unicorn), not to mention science-fiction and the other great works of the human imagination, this argument disproves itself, as man is obviously capable of imagining fictional beings greater than himself. Since this has occurred, your argument is refuted on the grounds that people can imagine fictional things, and sometimes even erroneously believe them to be true.
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title: 'Re: Descartes Logic'
text: 'The imaginations of men have come up with countless examples of absolutely fantastic, and absolutely fictional, stories. If a man can think up a large, firebreathing, scaled lizard (dragon) and a horselike creature with a single horn and undefined magical properties (unicorn), not to mention science-fiction and the other great works of the human imagination, this argument disproves itself, as man is obviously capable of imagining fictional beings greater than himself. Since this has occurred, your argument is refuted on the grounds that people can imagine fictional things, and sometimes even erroneously believe them to be true.'
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